(16.1.06 11:56) You are right norah. I'm not christened and I can tell you hand on heart I have not suffered!

(16.1.06 12:00) You're denying your child the chance to have a pewter egg cup and napkin ring. THAT's immoral.

(16.1.06 12:02) Your child will go Christian just to rebel against you. You won't be able to win on this one, I'm afraid.

(16.1.06 12:03) Here - have these thunderbolts...sorry sweeties. It's utter bollocks - it's all about having a party and photographs. You can do that without getting a priest in on the act.

(16.1.06 12:04) Stick to your guns Norah! I wasn't christened either, and the only time it's been a slight problem was when some girls at university found out and started avoiding me. But they were bitches anyway, so it was something I'd describe as an 'arsehole filter', which is always a good thing in the long run. My sister (also unchristened) had a big frilly christian ceremony for both her kids and I thought it was the most hypocritical and ostentatious thing she's ever done. But don't tell her I told you. We don't live in a christian society any more, so don't feel pressurised by people who wish we still did.

(16.1.06 12:10) I had to come back after making the flippant comment to say, after Cheapy, blimey! Imagine asking if you'd been Christened! That's so rude! I was Christened but if I ever have kids I won't get them 'done' because I am not going to raise my children to be religious. I didn't even get godparents. I don't actually know how that worked, because they seem to be the best thing about it. You can probably pick some godparents anyway. Choose your richest, childfree but child-loving friends, who will lavish it with presents and attention.

(16.1.06 12:14) You can have legal guardians instead of godparents. Mine are a well off childless couple actually, and they're fab which is the most important thing.

(16.1.06 12:17) I know you were only being flippant Ghosty, but I really won't have a problem if my child chooses to be Christian. I'm a big fan of people being free to believe in whatever they want to believe in. I just don't want to make that decision for him/her and it beggars belief that people think I should decide my child should be something I don't even believe in!

(16.1.06 12:25) My godfather picked me up when I was young, and accidentally rammed my head into a lightbulb, causing it to smash. If you want to laugh at your children's painful misfortunes, I recommend you go down the godparent route. Also, I shouldn't be too concerned about being a hypocrite. I have found that, since admitting to being one myself, I can act in any way I choose and have lots of conflicting opinions; yet remain safe in the knowledge that they are all consistent with my overall world view. Hooray!

(16.1.06 12:25) anyway, enough of this stuff with the baby - wasn't this family member at all worried that you have not yet asked me to be dog-mother to your puppy?

(16.1.06 12:27) Bravo, Norah! I´m with you 100%. I was christened and I am not a Catholic by choice, I would say I´m agnostic, but the christening has not modified or made my life better, or made me a better person, or protected me from some evil curse. Great post!

(16.1.06 12:31) Totally with you on that one. Only you can decide what you are, and nobody should force religion onto anybody! If your child did ever choose a religion it'll be his or her own choice, the way it should be.

(16.1.06 12:38) i was baptised and its caused me nuffink but grief ever since. good on you norah.

(16.1.06 12:44) Heather, I would be honoured if you would agree to be Dolly's dog-mother. Do you vow to be involved in her life and teach her the difference between weeing in the garden and weeing in the kitchen? Will you tell her the parable of the naughty little puppy who ate Norah's lipstick? And will you always be on hand with doggie-chocs before meals?

(16.1.06 12:57) Ooook, now I am a Christian, and I still totally see where you're coming from. I wouldn't get my child sent to a mosque, would I? Also I have no godparents, does this mean I am going to hell? I've never seen anything in the bible that says one should have Godparents, maybe it came after the bit that said the pope should have a collection of stupid hats and robes. I missed that bit too... Anyway, not all Christians do Christenings, some do baptism when a person chooses for themselves instead. x

(16.1.06 13:24) "It's nice for a child to have godparents". Apparently I have a couple of them, but I have absolutely no idea who they are. That's nice.

(16.1.06 14:04) I wasn't christened and give thanks to Him everyday for this fact.

(16.1.06 14:16) Hmmm, do I detect a bit of anti-God bias here? You know, I think I do. Ungrateful bastards. After I've given you the best creation of my life Oh well, just make sure that you're good to one another.

(16.1.06 14:26) I've been involved in this kind of situation in the past too. I don't know if they will ever realize how ridiculous their arguments are, against a non-believer. I always love the one of "If it were to die, God wouldn't let it into heaven" one. Well, God wouldn't let it into hell either, which is kind of cool!

(16.1.06 15:32) My mama is an ex-rosicrucian and I think the only deity my dad acknowledges is Thor; yet I was christened - though at the ripe age of five. But only because both my grans were visiting at the same time and I was promised a long pretty dress and a slap-up meal. I reckon that all your family really misses is the excuse to gather in nice hats and eat finger-foods. Why not troop down to Sherwood Forest, get a local beardy to bless the little bundle in the name of the Great Turtle and have a picnic? (Added sugar to boost your energy in the fight against familial bullying

(16.1.06 16:53) Yer doomed!!! Hellfire awaits etc. And in the interim there's social opprobrium, family apoplexy, no photos of big hats on bug eyed relatives holding Boy in Dress, and Aunt Myrtle and All Her Family will never talk to you again. But then again, some relatives will look on the bright side and think well, that's one illegitimate heathen less to include in the will... ;-)

(16.1.06 17:25) I believe in God (I'm not a Christian though) but I totally respect your reasons and decision to not have your child Christened. I know your family mean well but my advice would be to stick to your guns as you are in the right for your own child, nothing wrong with your choice at all, each to their own and all that ) And even though you don’t believe in God, the Big Bloke Upstairs I know would still let you all in, cos you is nice people, and that is all that matters, not ceremonies and paper certificates, so there! )

(16.1.06 17:26) This week i will be trying to become a christian, if they'll take me.

TC / Website (16.1.06 17:37) I've never had a problem with people's "spiritual beliefs", but I've always said Organised Religion is Crowd Control. Not to mention those Evangelistic Stormtroopers who turn up on your doorstep accusingly asking you if you don't want Eternal Life. Eternal Life? Damn, this one's hard enough!

TC / Website (16.1.06 17:38) I've never had a problem with people's "spiritual beliefs", but I've always said Organised Religion is Crowd Control. Not to mention those Evangelistic Stormtroopers who turn up on your doorstep accusingly asking you if you don't want Eternal Life. Eternal Life? Damn, this one's hard enough!

(16.1.06 18:08) Hey - what's all the fuss about - the SplogSpog can always do the born-again thing if he/she wants to. Of course, his/her Mum would probably have a hissy-fit - but that's what rebellion's all about .....

(16.1.06 18:12) I was never christened and still went to a Catholic school. And nobody there really gave a shit whether I had been or not.

(16.1.06 18:31) It's more fashionable to have "Naming Ceremonies" these days. Like a Christening but without the religion. In other words,an excuse for a party, more presents and a chance to give some rich, gay,childless friends to be "responsible adults" for your child, which they would adore. Wait 'till the baby's here. It gets worse.

(16.1.06 18:46) Norah, my parents aren't Christians and didn't have me or my three sisters christened. Despite the lack of godparents we really haven't suffered. It's all bunkum - are you sure these people share genes with you? Had I a sweetie left it would be yours for standing up for what you believe in (or don't believe in, in this case). Why do people who don't go to church insist on getting married in a church? Because it's what people do and it looks nice in the photos apparently. Guff. Up the athiest revolution.

cardylady / Website (16.1.06 20:29) yeah but the biggest disadvantage for christening your child (at least the thing that put me off the most) is that you HAVE TO renounce Satan - how dull is that!

(16.1.06 21:50) Quite right cardy lady. Not only is Satan-renunciation dull, but I wouldn't have thought old Satan would take kindly to being renounced. Norah, best to hedge your bets. Maybe get Ozzy Osbourne to do the dipping?

(16.1.06 23:10) What a right pain in the arse for you. Did u see Richard Dawkins compelling anti-religion argument on C4?..'Root of all Evil'

(16.1.06 23:38) Had the same conversation a long time ago with an ex. So many people argue the stunningly persuasive "but everyone does it and you're strange if you don't and goodness why worry about whether you believe in God or not anyway you silly girl". Which frankly is a lot more offensive than some poor deluded soul who really does think your child won't get into heaven - at least they care.

(17.1.06 05:17) i wasn't christened, didn't suffer either and did go to the best school in the area. however, when my chum and i had conversation about future babies she said 'can i be its godmother?' i said 'no - its not getting christened' and then we had pretty much the above argument too. And shes not a christian either x

(17.1.06 08:27) Stick to your guns Norah, everything you said is right, everything they said is wrong - how could you possibly doubt yourself? I'm one of the damned, never having been christened, and god having been absent or explained as myth along with Santa and fairies as I was growing up. I'm completely normal and well balanced - honest! ESM

(17.1.06 09:37) Zwhu? You are so very expressive with your made up words. None of my four are Christened. Even if I were religious (which I'm glad to say I'm not) I wouldn't force my offspring to follow my beliefs. It's bad enough that I force them to tidy there rooms. If they grow up to believe in the things I believe in it should be because they were informed of all the options and made a decision themselves.

(17.1.06 11:07) My children have both been Baptized,before they were 3 months i . these are choices I have made for them before they were big enough to make decisions for themselves. Babies are a chance for the elderly of the church you attend to get out their knotting needles and produce beautiful pieces of work made from love (and cobwebs) well wool actually. They then sneak round to your house without the granny Mafia, to drink tea with you, if you are really lucky after you have the baby they bring round a casserole and a nice home made sponge. One of the really nice ones took my full ironing basket home and brought it back ironed and folded, telling me "you can't manage everything after having a baby, in my day we didn't get out of bed for the first 10 days" Thy love seeing the tiny babies and getting to hold them for you, it gives them hope that this child will not grow up to be an uncouth burberry wearing thug, it reminds them of their children and the lovely moments they shared, having your baby baptized makes them part of something, they can chose to walk away from it when they are older or go into it further. I do have to say that I respect the fact that you have stuck by your guns and your beliefs, and stood up to the family, rather than giving into the frilly frock wedding and christening "because its what we should do" We have a lot of weddings and Christenings of people that we rarely see in church. Be careful the family may try and manipulate you because you are emotionally vulnerable at the moment.

(17.1.06 12:40) Princess, when my friends and a couple of neighbours have had babies I've done their shopping, cleaned their houses, chatted with them, cooked dinners for husbands and children and I don't go to church - it's just a friendly, neighbourly thing to do.

(17.1.06 14:58) hjb. that is really kind of you, my friends helped me too , but the little old ladies seem to like the excuse of the baby to star to become your friend because now they can find somthing you both have in common, Whats been really nice is that when we go back to aldershot and they see my boy now who will be 12 next week and they are like old Aunties ( part of his Church family) I liked the feeling I got when I took my children to be baptised, and I felt it again at the boys confirmation service. ( a feeling of total smug ness and yes this is right for OUR family)

(17.1.06 15:09) Sorry heather that looks patronising,what i'm trying to say is that You are kind, here we are losing community spirit in some areas and some new mums don't see any one all day, especially the high flying ones that have not got an officer to run but a baby that's running them. whose friends are in the office.

(17.1.06 16:43) No Christening? What are you? Weird?

(17.1.06 17:32) You're right and they're wrong. I was never Christened, and I turned out just fine. I hiss at priests, but my parents assure me it's just an allergic reaction.

(17.1.06 18:37) You're such a pain in the arse, Noz. Tsk!

(17.1.06 21:56) I'm a christian and i wasn't christened!

(17.1.06 22:02) A truly splendid piece of blogalism. Can I gack it for the ladies who lunch ? I so agree with you, and have a sneaking regard for Richard Dawkins too. Two tales: I was totally opposed to having my daughter "done" but got backmailed into it, and so she went to a church school, and as a result of that experience is probably even more anti-church than I am. (Not anti belief, it's ORGANISED religeon that seems to do the damage) When I was a lot youmger, I was shipwrecked. (dramatic pause). Well, sort of. In the sea mist the captain ran into the rather large rock between Malta and Gozo, (called Comino). Much screaming and cries of "Mama Mia" and a lot of sign-of-the-crossing and general all-purpose wailing. At that point the little sisters of mercy appeared from the saloon, and went among the passengers with their charity collecting tins for their orphanage, saying stuff like, "just in case" and "Think of it as insurance", etc. They collected ooodles of cash that day. I was struck by that rather odd relationship between faith and self-preservation. (And the captain got MOST annoyed when I produced a rubber dinghy from my luggage and proceeded to inflate it on the foredeck, but that's another story) Anyway, well done Norah for sticking to the gums. I mean guns. Oh, I dunno though, who cooked?

(17.1.06 23:34) I too have godparents but I think I have met them once and i haven't the diddliest idea who they are. Stick to your guns, and if your baby needs guidance, put Adam Hart-Davis on, and let the SplogSprog sit in front of t'telly with a bar of Galaxy. Works for me.

(18.1.06 12:50) Hurrah for 20six. Thank you, everyone, for your approval of my decision to have a Godless bastard heathen child. Woo!

(18.1.06 15:26) Hi have only just come across your blog and i have been chuckling at your WMFM. My 2 boys (born out of wedlock gasp!!!) were not christened we did have a naming ceremony and as yet I nor my children have burst into flames mmmmmm. Stick to your guns!

(19.1.06 12:00) Norah, you are, as always, perfectly right.

(19.1.06 13:24) I wouldn't say that 'everyone' approved.

(19.1.06 13:50) No. There were a couple of ambiguous abstentions, and you and princessfairytoes didn't approve.

(19.1.06 21:34) I'm not christened. None of my immediate family or most of my friends were either. No-one has ever thought that weird. I'm just not religious.

(20.1.06 10:20) I have the solution. P and I presently have 9 godchildren between us. I have long thought that was more than enough but I am beginning to feel that it would be better to hit double figures. P is herself a heathen having never been christened. I am card-carrying religious maniac. We would be happy to offer our services as online godparents. I can recommend our standard service which is a bible stories colouring-in book sent three weeks after your child's first birthday along with an apology note; Another sent for no apparent reason mid-year when they are 16 and a surprise drunken appearance at their graduation. Other services are availiable subject to detailed negotiation. Limbo has been abolished by the way.

(20.1.06 13:51) heheheheh nice one, for what's worth our 14 month old son isn't christened either. Myself and brother were never christened as babies. We were allowed to make up our own minds, I got christened at 9, I even got to still wear the dress thingy...

(21.1.06 01:08) I was a Godless bastard heathen child, and seemed to turn out okay. Ha ha.

(24.1.06 11:45) God (whoops) with 55 comments already I nearly thought why bother. But hey. I cannot believe there are still people around who think the way you said your family reacted! The promises you make at christenings are VERY specific and they commit you to bringing your child up a christian - not, I promse to be a nice mother, so of course you are right doll! I'm trying to sort a naming ceremony out instead because i wanted to do something, but it's difficult to do without going all new agey and pretentious...

paker / Website (7.9.11 08:05) This is a very nice Coach Handbags, coach these rich product brands. This is not really all! We really should have at least one coach and believe me, this can be achieved! You can come across on the Internet all the real Coach Outlet Store amazing costs. Coach Bags, they become the latest signature stripes Hampton wallet, coach signature soft duffel, signature metal snake, and suede clutch gallery. All this makes the coaches classic, more importantly, maybe you need to get it, it makes you see pretty pictures on your wallet will really become.There Coach outlet also very worthy of your reference.

Buy online essay / Website (28.9.11 07:09) If you want to get a good grade, you have to meet your professor at their point of understanding. For an essay writing to be the best, you have to conduct the relevant research and have a wide array of sources of materials which you can use as references. Custom essays have dampened the mood in academia ___________________ buy essay buy essay online

(22.10.11 09:27) We are professional supplier committed in replica watches , mbt , wholesale soccer jerseys , mulberry factory shop , burberry sale , moncler sito ufficiale and so on , customer service and support team who are glad to assist you.

concer / Website (9.12.11 10:43) Magazine broke Kardashian has with his ex-boyfriend: NFL star Reggie Bush completely compound. Adding that with the Kardashians Hengfulisi 72 days short of marriage among the Kardashian has been caught in a love triangle. Reggie down until the "no divorce is not carnal," the ultimatum, Kardashian was resolutely and Hengfulisi divorce. With the popularity of the reality show indecent video actress, no doubt brought Hengfulisi difficult to get rid of a huge shame. Canada Goose Jackets nfl jerseys on sale nfl authentic jerseys

cheap north face / Website (20.3.12 02:35) "Fortunately, this guy can not disguise the spiritual connection." The north face Saying this he cheap north face looked up the right side of the Night Moon Road: "Do not mind the north face, the guy give the north face down to the ground say. Like this locations engage in, as long as get rid of the locations should be able to change back. " "Understand." Night Moon quickly turn back, then their locations on the side of magic pet shouted: "to keep my distance, the north face to use big strokes."Hear the words of the Night Moon, not only around the magic pet who hastened to the future flash that become the way of the north face of the guy is also raised his arms rushed up Night Moon said the use of big strokes, do not resist locations is definitely a dead guy finally decided to fight one. However, the locations was rushed half, see Night Moon, that has been blocked suddenly bounced up in front of the eye, crystal eye protection, and locations to see a pair of U.S. make Double Vision of the people of suffocation, followed by locations do not know.Night Moon gently close your eyes, the goggles back down, and then turned toward the the north face are more than a victory gesture Road: 'I've got. "

north face outlet locations / Website (28.3.12 09:08) north face outlet locations

(18.4.12 22:33) Pandora For Sale Australia,www.google361704.com,http://norahsplog.20six.co.uk/norahsplog/art/370339

Name:	Email:
Website:	Email me when further comments are posted Save information (cookie)
Insert emoticons